Bikeshedding: SCL prefix (tfm?)

For Foreman's new software collection, a name/prefix is needed to
replace our use of 'ruby193' (foreman-packaging/#249,
https://youtu.be/gSEw6w2wem8 for background). The name is shipped as an
RPM, so needs to be unique (so 'foreman' would conflict with our own
main RPM).

The original proposal was 'fmrb', e.g. fmrb-rubygem-foobar, which stood
for "Foreman Ruby" since our collection is primarily Ruby-focused.

The current proposal is 'tfm', e.g. tfm-rubygem-foobar, which stands for
'The Foreman', but a few people are concerned that this hides the
provenance of the RPMs unless you check the build info (rpm -qi).

Keeping it short is beneficial for those of us who type it tens of times
a day, but we perhaps need to ensure it's clear.

Does anybody have a better proposal than 'tfm'?

··· -- Dominic Cleal Red Hat Engineering

> For Foreman's new software collection, a name/prefix is needed to
> replace our use of 'ruby193' (foreman-packaging/#249,
> https://youtu.be/gSEw6w2wem8 for background). The name is shipped as an
> RPM, so needs to be unique (so 'foreman' would conflict with our own
> main RPM).
>
> The original proposal was 'fmrb', e.g. fmrb-rubygem-foobar, which stood
> for "Foreman Ruby" since our collection is primarily Ruby-focused.
>
> The current proposal is 'tfm', e.g. tfm-rubygem-foobar, which stands for
> 'The Foreman', but a few people are concerned that this hides the
> provenance of the RPMs unless you check the build info (rpm -qi).
>
> Keeping it short is beneficial for those of us who type it tens of times
> a day, but we perhaps need to ensure it's clear.
>
> Does anybody have a better proposal than 'tfm'?

+1 for tfm

– Ivan

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> Does anybody have a better proposal than 'tfm'?

No, because "tfm" is the best pick. It's short! :slight_smile:

··· -- Later, Lukas #lzap Zapletal

>
>
>
> > For Foreman's new software collection, a name/prefix is needed to
> > replace our use of 'ruby193' (foreman-packaging/#249,
> > https://youtu.be/gSEw6w2wem8 for background). The name is shipped as an
> > RPM, so needs to be unique (so 'foreman' would conflict with our own
> > main RPM).
> >
> > The original proposal was 'fmrb', e.g. fmrb-rubygem-foobar, which stood
> > for "Foreman Ruby" since our collection is primarily Ruby-focused.
> >
> > The current proposal is 'tfm', e.g. tfm-rubygem-foobar, which stands for
> > 'The Foreman', but a few people are concerned that this hides the
> > provenance of the RPMs unless you check the build info (rpm -qi).
> >
> > Keeping it short is beneficial for those of us who type it tens of times
> > a day, but we perhaps need to ensure it's clear.
> >
> > Does anybody have a better proposal than 'tfm'?
>
> +1 for tfm
>

+1 too, I wonder if there is any possible reason to add a r as a prefix… :slight_smile:

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··· On Apr 24, 2015 13:09, "Ivan Necas" wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

The "tfm" seems fine as most of us will auto-complete it in our heads over
time. However, it is worth noting that all the other SCLs don't shy away
from being verbose and specific with their naming and version for that
matter. For example: ruby193, python26, passenger40, postgresql92. So
personally, I would prefer with "theforeman" or "foreman_ruby" as per the
original proposal as I am a fan of being specific. I think it is worth
asking if a user googles "tfm" will they find what we would want them to
find?

This ship may have already sailed, but if we do go with the short moniker,
it might be nice if the SCL name and the new release tag (
https://github.com/theforeman/foreman-packaging/pull/627) were the same.

Eric

··· On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Lukas Zapletal wrote:

Does anybody have a better proposal than ‘tfm’?

No, because “tfm” is the best pick. It’s short! :slight_smile:


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Good point, but that's easy to fix as I had to (mostly) revert it.

··· On 27/04/15 14:51, Eric D Helms wrote: > This ship may have already sailed, but if we do go with the short > moniker, it might be nice if the SCL name and the new release tag > (https://github.com/theforeman/foreman-packaging/pull/627) were the same.


Dominic Cleal
Red Hat Engineering

> This ship may have already sailed, but if we do go with the short moniker,
> it might be nice if the SCL name and the new release tag (
> https://github.com/theforeman/foreman-packaging/pull/627) were the same.

I know you are doing some packaging so I am really surprised you suggest
this :slight_smile:

The issue I have is when I enter:

ruby<TAB>

This does not work because we usually have something starting with
"ruby" in the packages (non-SCL packages).

Then you do

ruby193<TAB>

No help apparently…

ruby193-ruby<TAB>

Still nothing, almost there

ruby193-rubyg<TAB> -> rubygem

We are almost there…

ruby193-rubygem-foreman_something_very_long

··· -- Later, Lukas #lzap Zapletal

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean?

··· On 24/04/15 12:02, Ohad Levy wrote: >> > The current proposal is 'tfm', e.g. tfm-rubygem-foobar, which stands for >> > 'The Foreman', but a few people are concerned that this hides the >> > provenance of the RPMs unless you check the build info (rpm -qi). >> > >> > Keeping it short is beneficial for those of us who type it tens of times >> > a day, but we perhaps need to ensure it's clear. >> > >> > Does anybody have a better proposal than 'tfm'? >> >> +1 for tfm > > +1 too, I wonder if there is any possible reason to add a r as a prefix.. :)


Dominic Cleal
Red Hat Engineering

>
> >> > The current proposal is 'tfm', e.g. tfm-rubygem-foobar, which stands
for
> >> > 'The Foreman', but a few people are concerned that this hides the
> >> > provenance of the RPMs unless you check the build info (rpm -qi).
> >> >
> >> > Keeping it short is beneficial for those of us who type it tens of
times
> >> > a day, but we perhaps need to ensure it's clear.
> >> >
> >> > Does anybody have a better proposal than 'tfm'?
> >>
> >> +1 for tfm
> >
> > +1 too, I wonder if there is any possible reason to add a r as a
prefix… :slight_smile:
>
> Sorry, I don't understand what you mean?
I was pondering if we could call it rtfm :slight_smile:
>
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··· On Apr 24, 2015 14:17, "Dominic Cleal" wrote: > On 24/04/15 12:02, Ohad Levy wrote: > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

> >
> > >> > The current proposal is 'tfm', e.g. tfm-rubygem-foobar, which stands
> for
> > >> > 'The Foreman', but a few people are concerned that this hides the
> > >> > provenance of the RPMs unless you check the build info (rpm -qi).
> > >> >
> > >> > Keeping it short is beneficial for those of us who type it tens of
> times
> > >> > a day, but we perhaps need to ensure it's clear.
> > >> >
> > >> > Does anybody have a better proposal than 'tfm'?
> > >>
> > >> +1 for tfm
> > >
> > > +1 too, I wonder if there is any possible reason to add a r as a
> prefix… :slight_smile:
> >
> > Sorry, I don't understand what you mean?
> I was pondering if we could call it rtfm :slight_smile:

You mean you were pundering :slight_smile: Well played, sir :slight_smile:

– Ivan

··· ----- Original Message ----- > On Apr 24, 2015 14:17, "Dominic Cleal" wrote: > > On 24/04/15 12:02, Ohad Levy wrote:


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