Katello UX nitpick - Sync Status

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1

Hey,

I constantly keep mis-clicking on Sync Plans instead Sync Status in Katello.

Any UX advice how to change that? I suggest either rename one to be
more visible so you can easily target that with mouse or break these
two guys into different main menu entries.

LZ

··· -- Later, Lukas @lzap Zapletal
2

Hey,

As part of my campaign to reduce the number of menu items I would love to
remove the sync status page entirely.

As far as I know the sync status page doesn't really provide any additional
functionality over the products page with the exception of being able to
select individual repositories from diverse products to sync (i.e. the
products page bulk sync forces you to sync all of the repositories in each
product). I think we could add this to the products page pretty easily.

There is also a dashboard widget that shows sync status if you use the sync
status page just to look at the status of your syncs.

So really what is the purpose of the sync status page?

Cheers,
Walden

··· On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 10:58 AM, Sean O'Keeffe wrote:

“Sync Plans” → “Planned Sync’s” ?

On Fri, 6 Oct 2017 at 15:56, Lukas Zapletal lzap@redhat.com wrote:

Hey,

I constantly keep mis-clicking on Sync Plans instead Sync Status in
Katello.

Any UX advice how to change that? I suggest either rename one to be
more visible so you can easily target that with mouse or break these
two guys into different main menu entries.

LZ

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> Hey,
>
> As part of my campaign to reduce the number of menu items I would love
> to remove the sync status page entirely.
>
> As far as I know the sync status page doesn't really provide any
> additional functionality over the products page with the exception of
> being able to select individual repositories from diverse products to
> sync (i.e. the products page bulk sync forces you to sync all of the
> repositories in each product). I think we could add this to the
> products page pretty easily.
>
> There is also a dashboard widget that shows sync status if you use the
> sync status page just to look at the status of your syncs.
>
> So really what is the purpose of the sync status page?
>
I believe it was so you could get a better overview of what repositories
were syncing. I think the sync status dashboard widget is not currently
well suited for that.

If we had a 'repositories' page where we could just list repos across
the organization, that would likely be a better place to show this
information (and allow the user to filter to see only what are currently
syncing).

If we were going to just yank the sync status page, i think we would
need to do some user interviews and confirm that the products page and
dashboard widgets fulfill their needs.

-Justin

··· On 10/06/2017 11:16 AM, Walden Raines wrote:

Cheers,
Walden

On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 10:58 AM, Sean O’Keeffe <sokeeffe@redhat.com > mailto:sokeeffe@redhat.com> wrote:

“Sync Plans” -> “Planned Sync’s” ?

On Fri, 6 Oct 2017 at 15:56, Lukas Zapletal <lzap@redhat.com >     <mailto:lzap@redhat.com>> wrote:

    Hey,

    I constantly keep mis-clicking on Sync Plans instead Sync
    Status in Katello.

    Any UX advice how to change that? I suggest either rename one
    to be
    more visible so you can easily target that with mouse or break
    these
    two guys into different main menu entries.

    LZ

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> If we had a 'repositories' page where we could just list repos across the
organization, that would likely be a better place to show this information
(and allow the user to filter to see only what are currently syncing).

Sorry, I didn't articulate my idea very well. It would basically be
renaming the products page to "Repositories" and making that page a list of
repositories rather than products. Perhaps they repositories are grouped
into products, perhaps not. Whether or not the concept of a "product" is
actually useful is something that interviews with users can determine.

>If we were going to just yank the sync status page, i think we would need
to do some user interviews and confirm that the products page and dashboard
widgets fulfill their needs.

For sure, and I wouldn't just yank it out (as much as I'd like to) but I do
see an opportunity to remove a page by combining its functionality into
another. This is a trend that I would like to continue going forward as I
believe our current nearly 1-to-1 mapping of pages to database relations
isn't very user friendly. You almost have to know how the application is
designed in order to use it effectively. I would much rather see an
"action based" approach to our pages where the page in the UI is a
representation of something you want to do rather than something that
exists (if that makes sense at all).

Cheers,
Walden

··· On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 11:31 AM, Justin Sherrill wrote:

On 10/06/2017 11:16 AM, Walden Raines wrote:

Hey,

As part of my campaign to reduce the number of menu items I would love to
remove the sync status page entirely.

As far as I know the sync status page doesn’t really provide any
additional functionality over the products page with the exception of being
able to select individual repositories from diverse products to sync (i.e.
the products page bulk sync forces you to sync all of the repositories in
each product). I think we could add this to the products page pretty
easily.

There is also a dashboard widget that shows sync status if you use the
sync status page just to look at the status of your syncs.

So really what is the purpose of the sync status page?

I believe it was so you could get a better overview of what repositories
were syncing. I think the sync status dashboard widget is not currently
well suited for that.

If we had a ‘repositories’ page where we could just list repos across the
organization, that would likely be a better place to show this information
(and allow the user to filter to see only what are currently syncing).

If we were going to just yank the sync status page, i think we would need
to do some user interviews and confirm that the products page and dashboard
widgets fulfill their needs.

-Justin

Cheers,
Walden

On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 10:58 AM, Sean O’Keeffe sokeeffe@redhat.com > wrote:

“Sync Plans” → “Planned Sync’s” ?

On Fri, 6 Oct 2017 at 15:56, Lukas Zapletal lzap@redhat.com wrote:

Hey,

I constantly keep mis-clicking on Sync Plans instead Sync Status in
Katello.

Any UX advice how to change that? I suggest either rename one to be
more visible so you can easily target that with mouse or break these
two guys into different main menu entries.

LZ

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“Sync Plans” -> “Planned Sync’s” ?

··· On Fri, 6 Oct 2017 at 15:56, Lukas Zapletal wrote:

Hey,

I constantly keep mis-clicking on Sync Plans instead Sync Status in
Katello.

Any UX advice how to change that? I suggest either rename one to be
more visible so you can easily target that with mouse or break these
two guys into different main menu entries.

LZ

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While I have no issues with redesigning things for better UX, I was
hoping for some suggestion (a rename perhaps) that could go into
Katello 3.4. I hit the wrong page every second day, I was wondering if
this is just me or other people also hit Sync Plans instead Sync
Status :slight_smile:

··· On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 6:53 PM, Walden Raines wrote: >> If we had a 'repositories' page where we could just list repos across the >> organization, that would likely be a better place to show this information >> (and allow the user to filter to see only what are currently syncing). > > Sorry, I didn't articulate my idea very well. It would basically be > renaming the products page to "Repositories" and making that page a list of > repositories rather than products. Perhaps they repositories are grouped > into products, perhaps not. Whether or not the concept of a "product" is > actually useful is something that interviews with users can determine. > >>If we were going to just yank the sync status page, i think we would need >> to do some user interviews and confirm that the products page and dashboard >> widgets fulfill their needs. > > For sure, and I wouldn't just yank it out (as much as I'd like to) but I do > see an opportunity to remove a page by combining its functionality into > another. This is a trend that I would like to continue going forward as I > believe our current nearly 1-to-1 mapping of pages to database relations > isn't very user friendly. You almost have to know how the application is > designed in order to use it effectively. I would much rather see an "action > based" approach to our pages where the page in the UI is a representation of > something you want to do rather than something that exists (if that makes > sense at all). > > Cheers, > Walden > > On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 11:31 AM, Justin Sherrill > wrote: >> >> >> >> On 10/06/2017 11:16 AM, Walden Raines wrote: >> >> Hey, >> >> As part of my campaign to reduce the number of menu items I would love to >> remove the sync status page entirely. >> >> As far as I know the sync status page doesn't really provide any >> additional functionality over the products page with the exception of being >> able to select individual repositories from diverse products to sync (i.e. >> the products page bulk sync forces you to sync all of the repositories in >> each product). I think we could add this to the products page pretty >> easily. >> >> There is also a dashboard widget that shows sync status if you use the >> sync status page just to look at the status of your syncs. >> >> So really what is the purpose of the sync status page? >> >> I believe it was so you could get a better overview of what repositories >> were syncing. I think the sync status dashboard widget is not currently >> well suited for that. >> >> If we had a 'repositories' page where we could just list repos across the >> organization, that would likely be a better place to show this information >> (and allow the user to filter to see only what are currently syncing). >> >> If we were going to just yank the sync status page, i think we would need >> to do some user interviews and confirm that the products page and dashboard >> widgets fulfill their needs. >> >> -Justin >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> Walden >> >> On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 10:58 AM, Sean O'Keeffe >> wrote: >>> >>> “Sync Plans” -> “Planned Sync’s” ? >>> >>> On Fri, 6 Oct 2017 at 15:56, Lukas Zapletal wrote: >>>> >>>> Hey, >>>> >>>> I constantly keep mis-clicking on Sync Plans instead Sync Status in >>>> Katello. >>>> >>>> Any UX advice how to change that? I suggest either rename one to be >>>> more visible so you can easily target that with mouse or break these >>>> two guys into different main menu entries. >>>> >>>> LZ >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Later, >>>> Lukas @lzap Zapletal >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "foreman-dev" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to foreman-dev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "foreman-dev" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to foreman-dev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "foreman-dev" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to foreman-dev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "foreman-dev" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to foreman-dev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "foreman-dev" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to foreman-dev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

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Given 3.4 has been released I think that renaming a menu item is not in
order. Patch releases should fix bugs, not introduce enhancements.

··· On Mon, Oct 09, 2017 at 05:13:58PM +0200, Lukas Zapletal wrote: >While I have no issues with redesigning things for better UX, I was >hoping for some suggestion (a rename perhaps) that could go into >Katello 3.4. I hit the wrong page every second day, I was wondering if >this is just me or other people also hit Sync Plans instead Sync >Status :-) > >On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 6:53 PM, Walden Raines wrote: >>> If we had a 'repositories' page where we could just list repos across the >>> organization, that would likely be a better place to show this information >>> (and allow the user to filter to see only what are currently syncing). >> >> Sorry, I didn't articulate my idea very well. It would basically be >> renaming the products page to "Repositories" and making that page a list of >> repositories rather than products. Perhaps they repositories are grouped >> into products, perhaps not. Whether or not the concept of a "product" is >> actually useful is something that interviews with users can determine. >> >>>If we were going to just yank the sync status page, i think we would need >>> to do some user interviews and confirm that the products page and dashboard >>> widgets fulfill their needs. >> >> For sure, and I wouldn't just yank it out (as much as I'd like to) but I do >> see an opportunity to remove a page by combining its functionality into >> another. This is a trend that I would like to continue going forward as I >> believe our current nearly 1-to-1 mapping of pages to database relations >> isn't very user friendly. You almost have to know how the application is >> designed in order to use it effectively. I would much rather see an "action >> based" approach to our pages where the page in the UI is a representation of >> something you want to do rather than something that exists (if that makes >> sense at all). >> >> Cheers, >> Walden >> >> On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 11:31 AM, Justin Sherrill >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/06/2017 11:16 AM, Walden Raines wrote: >>> >>> Hey, >>> >>> As part of my campaign to reduce the number of menu items I would love to >>> remove the sync status page entirely. >>> >>> As far as I know the sync status page doesn't really provide any >>> additional functionality over the products page with the exception of being >>> able to select individual repositories from diverse products to sync (i.e. >>> the products page bulk sync forces you to sync all of the repositories in >>> each product). I think we could add this to the products page pretty >>> easily. >>> >>> There is also a dashboard widget that shows sync status if you use the >>> sync status page just to look at the status of your syncs. >>> >>> So really what is the purpose of the sync status page? >>> >>> I believe it was so you could get a better overview of what repositories >>> were syncing. I think the sync status dashboard widget is not currently >>> well suited for that. >>> >>> If we had a 'repositories' page where we could just list repos across the >>> organization, that would likely be a better place to show this information >>> (and allow the user to filter to see only what are currently syncing). >>> >>> If we were going to just yank the sync status page, i think we would need >>> to do some user interviews and confirm that the products page and dashboard >>> widgets fulfill their needs. >>> >>> -Justin >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Walden >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 10:58 AM, Sean O'Keeffe >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> “Sync Plans” -> “Planned Sync’s” ? >>>> >>>> On Fri, 6 Oct 2017 at 15:56, Lukas Zapletal wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hey, >>>>> >>>>> I constantly keep mis-clicking on Sync Plans instead Sync Status in >>>>> Katello. >>>>> >>>>> Any UX advice how to change that? I suggest either rename one to be >>>>> more visible so you can easily target that with mouse or break these >>>>> two guys into different main menu entries.